# RFC 0003: Transients — semantics and why they live in the Janet seed Status: accepted (design note) This note pins down what transients *are* in Jolt, where their behavior deviates from JVM Clojure and why, and why the transient machinery is part of the irreducible Janet seed rather than a candidate for the core-in-Clojure migration (jolt-tzo). It exists so the kernel-shrink ladder doesn't revisit transients every round. ## What a transient is in Jolt A transient is a tagged Janet table wrapping a *native* mutable host value (`core.janet`, "Transients" section): - transient vector — `@{:jolt/type :jolt/transient :kind :vector :arr ARRAY}`, a Janet array. - transient map — `:kind :map :tbl TABLE`, a Janet table mapping `canon-key(k)` → `@[k v]`. Keying by canonical key keeps collection keys comparing by value across representations (`[1 2]` the pvec and `[1 2]` the tuple are one key), and storing the `@[k v]` pair preserves the *original* key for the rebuilt persistent map. - transient set — `:kind :set :tbl TABLE` mapping `canon-key(x)` → `x`. The bang ops (`conj!`, `assoc!`, `dissoc!`, `disj!`, `pop!`) mutate that host value in place and return the transient — O(1) per op (amortized for array push). `persistent!` rebuilds a persistent value from the host value and invalidates the transient (`:jolt/persistent` flag; any further bang op or a second `persistent!` throws "Transient used after persistent! call", matching Clojure's invalidation contract). Read ops work on an active transient where Clojure supports them: `get`, `contains?`, `count`, and `nth` (vector kind) branch on the transient tag. `seq` on a transient is not supported, as in Clojure. ## Deviations from JVM Clojure (deliberate) **O(n) edges, O(1) middle.** Clojure's `(transient v)` is O(1) — the transient *shares* the persistent trie and marks nodes editable; `persistent!` is O(1) too. Jolt's `transient` copies the source into a native array/table (O(n)) and `persistent!` rebuilds (O(n)). The bang ops in between are native-host O(1), which is *faster* per-op than trie editing. So the asymptotics of the usual pattern (persistent! (reduce conj! (transient []) coll)) are identical (O(n) total either way) with a better constant in the loop and a worse constant at the two edges. The pattern transients exist for — batch construction — is fully served. What is NOT served is transient-editing a *large* collection to change a few keys: that's O(n) in Jolt vs O(log n) in Clojure, because `transient` flattens the pvec trie / phm buckets into a native array/table and `persistent!` rebuilds them. **No thread-ownership check.** JVM Clojure ≥1.7 also dropped the owner-thread assertion (for fork/join), keeping only "don't use after persistent!", which Jolt enforces. Jolt code is fiber-concurrent; when real OS-thread futures land (jolt-ejx), a transient handed across threads is a data race exactly as in Clojure — documented, not checked, same as the JVM. **`(conj!)` / `(conj! t)` arities** follow Clojure's transducer-era contract: zero args makes a fresh `(transient [])`, one arg returns it untouched. `assoc!` tolerates a dangling final key (treated as `k nil`), matching the lenient kvs walk of Jolt's `assoc`. **No transient sorted variants** — same as Clojure. One leniency: Clojure throws on `(transient '(1))`, but Jolt's lists are Janet arrays underneath and fall into the mutable-build branch, yielding a transient *vector*. Harmless (the result of `persistent!` is a vector, never silently a list) but non-Clojure; tighten if it ever bites. ## Why transients stay in the Janet seed The migration ladder (jolt-tzo) moves anything expressible as *pure Clojure over existing primitives* out of the seed. Transients fail that test on three grounds: 1. **They are the mutation kernel.** A transient's entire value is direct mutation of a host array/table. The overlay's only mutation seam is `jolt.host/ref-put!` (a single table-put). Re-expressing `tr-conj!` etc. in Clojure would mean either growing the host surface one-for-one (`host-array-push!`, `host-table-put!`, …, i.e. moving the same code behind more indirection) or simulating mutation over persistent values (defeating the point of transients). Either way the Janet line count moves, it doesn't shrink. 2. **They sit under the seed's own dispatch.** `conj`/`assoc`/`get`/`count`/ `contains?` in the seed branch on the transient tag. Hoisting the transient ops above that dispatch (the hierarchy-port pattern of lazily-resolved overlay vars) would put an interpreted/compiled-Clojure call inside the hottest native paths for no semantic gain — transients have no semantics to *fix* (unlike hierarchy, which had real correctness gaps). 3. **The value layer is declared irreducible.** The self-hosting design doc (docs/self-hosting-compiler.md, "The kernel") keeps the value/representation layer — persistent collections and, with them, their mutable scratch counterparts — in the host. Transients are representation, not library. What CAN move (and mostly has): anything *derived* — e.g. `into`'s transient-using fast path, or future `update!`-style conveniences — is plain Clojure over `transient`/bang-ops/`persistent!` and belongs in the overlay tiers as ordinary migration batches. ## Future work - pvec is already a 32-way trie with structural sharing (pv.janet), so Clojure-style O(1) `transient`/`persistent!` via editable nodes is a real option for vectors — an internal change behind the same surface, not a semantics change. phm is bucket-based copy-on-write; the same trick applies if it ever becomes a HAMT. - `transient?` (Jolt extension, useful in tests) stays; Clojure has no public predicate, so it must not leak into portability-sensitive code.