Hand-translate the two compute benches into the Scheme a jolt->Chez backend would emit, to localize the execution-substrate ceiling without porting the RT. fib 30: 246.6 -> 5.2 ms (~47x, fixnum). mandelbrot 200: 166.3 -> 13.4 ms (~12.4x) ONLY with flonum-specialized ops; generic float ops box every flonum and stay ~1.7x. 13.4 ms matches jolt's JOLT_CGEN C result, so Chez's native compiler reaches the C ceiling with no cc step, REPL intact. Size: Chez base 2.9 MB (AOT) / 4.0 MB (dynamic) vs Janet 2.21. Memory: Chez ~32-49 MB fixed baseline vs Janet ~12 MB (the one regression). RT-bound axes (collections/binary-trees, where Chez's generational GC should help) not yet measured. See spike/chez/RESULTS.md.
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Chez Scheme re-host spike — results
Branch spike/chez-bootstrap. Question: would re-hosting jolt's substrate from
Janet onto Chez Scheme (cisco/ChezScheme 10.4.1) buy speed, at what size/memory
cost? This spike does NOT port jolt-core/RT — it measures the execution
substrate ceiling by hand-translating the two compute-bound benches (fib,
mandelbrot) into the Scheme a jolt->Chez backend would emit, plus real
size/memory of the Chez runtime.
Machine: darwin arm64, M-series. Same caveat as the handoff doc — this dev box swaps under load, so alloc-heavy absolute numbers inflate; compute benches (fib/mandelbrot) are trustworthy. All runs isolated (no other CPU work).
Speed (mean ms, 3 runs after warmup; same sizes as bench/run.sh)
| Bench | Janet jolt | Chez best | Speedup | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| fib 30 | 246.6 | 5.2 | ~47x | fixnum arith — immediate, unboxed |
| mandelbrot 200 (generic ops) | 166.3 | 98.1 | ~1.7x | + - * > box every flonum |
| mandelbrot 200 (flonum ops) | 166.3 | 13.4 | ~12.4x | fl*/fl+/fl< unboxed |
Correctness verified: fib 30 = 832040, mandelbrot 200 count = 3288753 (both match jolt). optimize-level 2 vs 3 made no material difference here.
The key finding is the mandelbrot split. Generic Scheme arithmetic on floats
sends Chez through the numeric tower and heap-boxes every flonum — so the
naive emit gets almost nothing (~1.7x) and opt-level doesn't help. Emitting
flonum-specific ops (fl+/fl*/fl<, fx for the integer counter) lets Chez
keep flonums unboxed in registers and the same code drops to 13.4 ms.
13.4 ms ~= jolt's own JOLT_CGEN C-codegen result (12.4 ms, which already beat
JVM per docs/foundational-runtime-lever1-native-codegen.md). So Chez's native
compiler reaches the hand-emitted-C ceiling on its own, with no separate cc
step, no .so cache, no AOT manifest — just runtime compilation, REPL intact.
Implication for a real backend: the win is gated on the same type-inference ->
specialized-op lowering jolt ALREADY has (passes/types.clj feeds native-arith on
Janet today). fib's 47x is free (fixnums); mandelbrot's 12x needs that typed
path wired to fl* emission instead of (or alongside) the Janet/C path.
Size (deployable footprint)
App code is negligible — fib compiled to a native object (compile-program,
optimize-level 3) is 2 KB. The footprint is the Chez runtime:
| Artifact | Size | vs Janet |
|---|---|---|
Janet build/jolt (complete, jolt baked in) |
2.21 MB | 1.0x |
| Chez base, AOT (kernel + petite.boot + app) | 2.89 MB | 1.3x |
| Chez base, dynamic/REPL (+ scheme.boot compiler) | 3.96 MB | 1.8x |
components: libkernel.a 0.83 MB, petite.boot (runtime lib) 2.07 MB, scheme.boot (compiler) 1.07 MB.
Caveat: the Chez rows are the runtime base ONLY. A complete jolt adds compiled jolt-core (analyzer + clojure.core + persistent-collection RT) on top, which the Janet 2.21 MB already includes. Estimated full Chez jolt ~4-6 MB. Still single-digit MB, ~2-3x Janet, vastly under a JVM (40 MB+). petite.boot carries much jolt won't use; a stripped custom boot file could shrink it.
Memory (max RSS)
| Scenario | Janet | Chez |
|---|---|---|
| startup / trivial | 12.5 MB | 32.1 (petite) / 49.5 (full) |
| mandelbrot 200 | 20.8 MB | ~32 MB (AOT under petite) |
| fib 30 | 19.8 MB | 32.1 MB |
Chez's baseline is flat across workloads (fib allocates ~nothing and doesn't move it), so the ~32 MB (runtime) / ~49.5 MB (runtime + resident compiler) is fixed reservation, not workload allocation. This is the one axis where Chez is clearly worse: ~2.5x Janet's fixed footprint. Trades RAM for speed. (Potentially tunable via Chez heap params / a stripped boot file; not explored.)
Verdict
- Speed: validated and large on compute — 47x (fib) and 12.4x (mandelbrot), the latter matching jolt's C-codegen ceiling, conditional on the backend emitting typed/specialized numeric ops. Naive generic emit is nearly flat on floats. jolt's existing type passes are the lever that makes this real.
- Chez could subsume the cgen path: runtime native compile gets C-level numeric speed while keeping live redefinition — collapsing the interpret/compile/cgen-to-C hybrid into one native path.
- Size: fine (~1.3-1.8x base, ~2-3x full; single-digit MB).
- Memory: the cost (~2.5x fixed baseline).
NOT yet measured (needs the RT port — the real project, not a spike)
- collections / binary-trees: these hit persistent collections + GC. Chez's GC is generational (vs Janet's non-generational mark-sweep), so binary-trees (jolt's worst axis, ~314x JVM) is exactly where Chez's GC should help most — but it requires porting the persistent-collection RT first. This is the next validation and the highest-uncertainty remaining question.
- Startup time (Janet jolt baked-image ~20ms; Chez boot-file load TBD).
- fiber/async layer (Janet fibers -> call/cc + threads rebuild).
Repro
cd spike/chez
chez --script fib.ss 30 3
chez --script mandelbrot.ss 200 3 # generic (boxed) — slow
chez --script mandelbrot-fl.ss 200 3 # flonum-typed — the ceiling